posted 01-14-2008 02:59 PM            

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posted 01-14-2008 03:19 PM            

Why the retest?
Did he use CMs on the first test undected? Was there any difference on the CQ's used?
How long was each test?
Did the first examiner have all the facts?

Sometimes if an examinee is polygraphed at the request of the defense attorney - the attorney and Poly Examiner may not have ALL the details.

posted 01-15-2008 01:37 PM            

I wish you had a motion sensor as you've got some tracings that make me very suspicious. Not only do you have some textbook "pucker" pneumos, you've got one pneumo in which the baseline rises while the other lowers. That shouldn't happen. Notice also, that the crazy pneumos happen consistently on CQs but not on RQs.

posted 01-15-2008 02:38 PM            

There are still problems with the charts regardless of what you've got for tests / exams there.

posted 01-15-2008 02:43 PM            

First, you need to get some avatars----small pictures that can be still pictures, cartoons, or my favorite, the animated/motion type avatars. There are many sites which offer these things for free. Google "Avatars"---literally hundreds of sites available. Some sites you register/subscribe and have access to thousands of these things, or you can simply right click one of mine (as a test), save in your "my pictures."
Next, now that you have your saved avatar, you need to go to www.photobucket.com
Register there for a free photo/movie storage space. They make their $ off of the advertisement you will see in all of the columns. Have no fear, photo bucket is the #1 site for posting pictures. It is a hub, and your photo album will be secure---password protected. Because it is a well used site, your password will have to be pretty unique----as it rejected most of my attempts.

Once you register with your new username and password (write it down!!!), your cookies will save the password/username so you won't have to retype it (thank goodness). Click on the UPLOAD PHOTOS tab on the photobucket site. Next, you will see several BROWSE buttons. Click on a BROWSE button, and the site will prompt your pictures (My Pictures section)from your computer. Select the avatar you want to post. Then press UPLOAD under the Browse section. 3 seconds later, you will see your avatar in the my pictures box. If you happen to have a BUNCH of images you want to upload---it will allow you to upload 20 or so pictures at a time---thus, the whole column of BROWSE tabs.

Under your picture, which has now been transfered to photobucket, you have 4 or 5 choices of how to send or transfer your avatar. Rightclick Copy the HTLM selection.

Exit the photobucket site. Come to polygraph place, and rightclick/Paste the HTRM code on your post----it will appear as a bunch of code (about 3 lines of nonsensical gibbery numbers/letters. When you submit your post, your avatar will appear.

They key to putting images on this site is that they must be transferred to HTLM code----whatever the hell that means. All I know is that this particularly old forum format only supports HTRM.

If you want to post polygraph charts here---you just follow those instructions above with the www.photobucket.com website, transfer the charts to the HTLM format, and bata bing batta boom, we have charts. I would post some sample charts, but I only surf the web with my wife's canary...ahem...laptop. I have no charts on this computer.

This is not difficult.

Even Ted's twin sister could do it;

posted 01-15-2008 03:17 PM            

I have overestimated you.

posted 01-15-2008 03:29 PM            

1. Join www.Photobucket.com
2. Click "Upload Photos"
3. Click the line "Browse"
4. Select the charts, click "open."
5. Click "upload" at the bottom of the browse column.
6. Just below your newly uploaded picture/chart---right click HTLM selection and click "copy."
7. Leave photobucket and come here.
8. Past the HTLM code to a thread. Submit---and about 5 seconds later the chart appears.

You can do it, and when you do it will be good. Let there be graphics.

posted 01-15-2008 03:42 PM            

(Exam with 7 charts)
Test 1 (charts 1-4): DI
Test 2 (charts 5-7): DI

(Exam with 6 charts)
Test 1 (charts 1-3): INC
Test 2 (charts 4-6): DI

posted 01-15-2008 04:01 PM            

I double dog dare you.

GrieselA,
We won't criticize you gal. We will help you. I learned some HUGE things the last time Ray posted charts, and I think he did also. Good things.

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posted 01-15-2008 04:45 PM            

Thanks for posting all of this.

I'd like to encourage you to not worry about criticism.

Any examiner that claims never to have messed up something is either lying or stupid.

People on this forum have been really decent, and we all have a lot to learn from each other.

Please consider sending or posting the charts. From what Barry has already said, they are probably instructive charts, from which we can learn.

It would be easy to post the charts here, using stat's excellent step-by-step tutorial. Or send 'em along and I'll help.

You've been more courageous than most lurkers already - so, at this point you pretty much have to see it all the way through. (Besides, we'll dog-pile anyone that criticizes.)

r

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posted 01-15-2008 04:59 PM            

You said one must be a false positive....but you also stated you were not following protocol and what about the other examiner. You need to get back to the basics.

posted 01-15-2008 08:08 PM            

Charts 5-7 appear to be a different series, as the RQs are different from the first four charts.

r

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posted 01-15-2008 11:13 PM            

What we need is a Skip Webb or a Don Kraphol to throw some ink around here. Pity that a mainstay polygraph website devoted to the field has two measly charts (thanks to Ray.)It's like a shrink website with no case studies. No wonder I have resorted to posting pictures of monkeys and kitty cats!

(sigh)

I recall that Don K. had a CD with charts on it to test examiner's against known outcomes (verifiable calls)that he would generously and freely send to examiners. Since the HTLM graphics here at polyplace are hyprlinked and not a burden on the site, he could post the whole shlamoo on a host site and link them here, a small collection at a time.
It could be fun, and Don or someone else could be the "hit" of the site with the volunteerism. It could make a real impact on hundreds of examiners, maybe even a turning point in skillset for many young and old. We all have had those moments of clarity. This is a good place to have those.

[This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-15-2008).]

posted 01-16-2008 08:47 AM            

How much can this site handle? Those images use a lot of memory.

posted 01-16-2008 10:31 AM            

The images are large and need to be cropped and resized, but its free/open-source/GPL and its a sourceforge project.

Best tool for cropping, resizing, and text-markup is a free tool.

html://www.irfanview.com

r

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